[escepticos] Einstein el plagiario

luis choquehuanca herasofo en peru.com
Sab Dic 27 19:16:51 WET 2008


Saludos a la lista de escepticos, para jaime rudas espero que la espera no
haya sido, larga y para los interesados y aficionados de las referencias
solo una pequeña muestra (hay muchas mas referencias aceptar su valides o
equivoco es tarea de quien quiera confirmarlas o refutarlas)

Henri Poincaré : A decisive contribution to Special Relativity ?

The short story    by Jacques. Fric (June 2003)









Einstein has always denied to have known Poincaré publications. It's hard to
believe as his friends Maurice Solovine and Carl Seelig, report Einstein had
read the the  Poincaré book " *La Science** et l'hypothèse" *(no absolute
time, no absolute space, no aether  ... ) around 1902-1904.  This book was
commented at their reading commitee « Académie Olympia » during several
weeks (ref. 8, pages 129 et 139 ; ref. 9, page VIII and  ref. 17, page 30)
His position at the Swiss office patent in charge of "electromagnetism"
implied that part of his job was to read and summarize the main publications
on this topic ( he summarized several papers from the French "Academie des
sciences").

At the end of his life, Einstein wrote in 1955 in a letter to Carl Seelig:

*«There is no doubt, if we look back to the development of the Relativity
theory, special Relativity was about to be discovered in 1905. Lorentz
already noticed that the transformations ( named Lorentz transformations)
were essential in the Maxwell theory and Poincaré had gone even further.  *

*At that time I only knew Lorentz work of 1895, but I  knew neither Lorentz
nor Poincaré further work.*

*This why I can  say that my work of 1905 was independent » *(ref 8, page
11).



2     Poincaré H. *La Science** et l'hypothèse.  *Edition Flammarion, Paris,
1902.

3     Poincaré H. *Sur la dynamique de l'électron.  *Comptes rendus Acad.
Sci.  Paris, 140, pages 1504-1508, 5 Juin 1905.

4     Poincaré H. *La mesure du temps.  *Revue de métaphysique et de morale.
6, pages 371384, 1898.

5     Poincaré H. *Sur la dynamique de l'électron.  *Rendiconti del Circolo
Matematico di Palermo, 21, pages 129-175, reçu le 23 Juillet 1905, published
in January 1906.

6     Einstein A. *Zur Elektrodynamik der bewegten Körper.  *Annalen der
Physik, 17, pages 891-921, reçu le 30 Juin 1905, publié le 26 Septembre
1905.



8     Miller A.I. *Albert Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity.  *Ed.
Addison-Wesley Publishing Company Inc.  Reading Mass., 1981.

9     Solovine M. *Lettres à Maurice Solovine.  *Ed.  Gauthier-Villars,
Paris, 1956



   1 7  *Merleau-Ponty J. **Einstein.  *Ed Flammarion ISBN, page 30, 1993







Henri Poincaré : a decisive contribution to Relativity



C. Marchal

General Scientific Direction, ONERA, BP 72, 92322 Châtillon cedex, FRANCE

* *

The 1905 Einstein's paper presents all the same results as Poincaré and even
the group property of the elements of the Lorentz and associated
transformations.

            This notion of a mathematical group was then very new and
practically ignored among physicists. Einstein makes no use of it. Einstein
had of course no opportunity to read the July 1905 Poincaré's paper while
writing his own paper, but the June 1905 *Note to the Academy *arrived in
Bern, in time, by June 12 or 13, and it was a part of  Einstein's job to
read it. Furthermore several analyses by Einstein of interesting physical
1905 notes to the French Academy of Sciences have recently been noticed (see
for instance in ref. 18 the analysis of the work of Mr Ponsot, *C.R.
140, S*pages 1176-1179, 1905 ).

Finally, last but not least, according to his friends Maurice Solovine and
Carl Seelig, Einstein read Poincaré's book *La Science** et l'Hypothèse *(no
absolute time, no absolute space, no ether…) during the years 1902-1904.
This book was discussed at their lecture circle "Olympia Academy" over
several weeks (Ref. 8, pages 129 and 139 ; ref. 9 page VIII and ref. 17 page
30).



*8        **Miller A.I.* *Albert Einstein's Special Theory of
Relativity. *Addison-Wesley
Publishing Company Inc., Reading Mass. 1981.

*9        **Solovine M.* *Lettres à Maurice Solovine.* Gauthier-Villars ed,
Paris, page VIII, 1956.









17.  *Einstein A. **Beiblätter zu der Annalen der Physik. **29*, n° 18 ,
pages 952-953, 1905.

18.  *Einstein A . **L'éther et la théorie de la Relativité. Leyde
conference  (Netherland) , May *

5, 1920 . French translation  by  Maurice  Solovine  and  Marie-Antoinette
Tonnelat  in :

*Albert Einstein, Réflexions sur l'électrodynamique , l'éther , la géométrie
et la  relativité.*

Collection  « Discours  de  la  méthode » , nouvelle  édition ,
Gauthier-Villars  ed.  Paris ,

Page 74, 1972.




El 27 de diciembre de 2008 6:52, Miguel Martínez Estremera <
mimartin en cepymearagon.es> escribió:

> De tods formas, ni en la TER siquiera Poincaré y Lorentz dieron el salto
> conceptual, que es lo que distigue los verdaderos avances cintíficos.
>
> De Poincaré quedan algunos escritos-leí una conferencia suya en que hay
> referencias interpretables en ese sentido-, pero poco más- y de Lorentz y su
> formulita de los alargamientos... ¿no recuerda mucho a lo de los tiempos del
> Copernicanismo tenido como un artificio simplificador de los hechos pero no
> trasladablke a la realidad con las implicaciones filosóficas que suponía? No
> creo que llegara a mucho más, aunque no tengo referencias.
>
> Miguel A
>
>
> El 27/12/2008, a las 0:59, Pedro J. Hdez escribió:
>
>
>
>>
>> También depende mucho de la TR a la que te refieras. La especial tiene
>> antecedentes obvios pero ninguno que se parezca ni más remotamente al
>> estilo de Einstein sobre medidas de distancias y tiempos. Einstein fue
>> el primero sin duda en ver que la RE es un marco básico y no
>> simplemente una solución a un problema de la electrodinámica clásica.
>>
>> En cuanto a la TGR es probablemente el único caso que a mí se me
>> ocurre ahora mismo de una teoría creada desde cero por una sola
>> persona sin básicamente ningún antecedente. Una inmensa hazaña. Hay
>> poco que discutir ahí.
>>
>> saludos
>>
>> Pedro J.
>>
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